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Message 513 - Posted: 22 Oct 2018, 5:19:20 UTC

Hi,

What happend to the reward system since Friday?
Why there is such an enormous push all over?
Did I miss somesthing? :-/
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Message 515 - Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 7:35:06 UTC
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Seems to only be on Windows systems, at least for me, huge gains, some people have had millions added.
I have just 1 Windows system and its RAC has gone from around 5,000 to over 55,000 in a few days.

My Linux systems have had no such gains, in fact looks like they have had no credit added at all.

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Message 516 - Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 8:40:05 UTC

That's strange!
I have these gains on all systems (linux and win).
Over 2M average credit and still growing...
Bevor Friday I had around 300k.
Wanted/unwanted multiplier of ~10 ???
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Message 519 - Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 10:46:38 UTC

I'm getting an insane 17,800 credits per hour by running a single WU. And I'm getting these credits even overnight when all my computers are shut down and powered off.
This should be fixed asap.

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Message 523 - Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 18:56:10 UTC - in response to Message 519.  

I'm getting an insane 17,800 credits per hour by running a single WU. And I'm getting these credits even overnight when all my computers are shut down and powered off.
This should be fixed asap.

Senilix

OK looking into it now.
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Message 524 - Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 19:26:11 UTC - in response to Message 523.  

I'm getting an insane 17,800 credits per hour by running a single WU. And I'm getting these credits even overnight when all my computers are shut down and powered off.
This should be fixed asap.

Senilix

OK looking into it now.

Fixed
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Message 527 - Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 19:42:11 UTC - in response to Message 524.  

Fixed

Thanks a lot.
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Message 528 - Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 19:47:59 UTC - in response to Message 527.  

Huh... as a new user I had nothing to compare to so just thought the unusually high credits/hour was normal for this project. ~6 mill in two days.

Ah well!



Unrelated, but the island topography map seems to be down at the moment, and the fitness graph page is just showing a white bar for the last couple of hours worth at the end of the graph. All of the servers appear to be up according to the status page, so I'm guessing a database has fallen over somewhere.
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Message 529 - Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 20:18:14 UTC - in response to Message 528.  

Huh... as a new user I had nothing to compare to so just thought the unusually high credits/hour was normal for this project. ~6 mill in two days.

Ah well!



Unrelated, but the island topography map seems to be down at the moment, and the fitness graph page is just showing a white bar for the last couple of hours worth at the end of the graph. All of the servers appear to be up according to the status page, so I'm guessing a database has fallen over somewhere.


I've kicked up the server, lets wait 10 mins.
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Message 532 - Posted: 23 Oct 2018, 21:41:43 UTC - in response to Message 529.  

Huh... as a new user I had nothing to compare to so just thought the unusually high credits/hour was normal for this project. ~6 mill in two days.

Ah well!



Unrelated, but the island topography map seems to be down at the moment, and the fitness graph page is just showing a white bar for the last couple of hours worth at the end of the graph. All of the servers appear to be up according to the status page, so I'm guessing a database has fallen over somewhere.


I've kicked up the server, lets wait 10 mins.

Hello the topography map will take roughly 40 minutes to start populating. The fitness graph blank is just a gnuplot horizontal scaling thing.

Kind regards,
Michael

PS: Thanks Carlos!..
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Message 536 - Posted: 24 Oct 2018, 1:28:28 UTC - in response to Message 524.  

I'm getting an insane 17,800 credits per hour by running a single WU. And I'm getting these credits even overnight when all my computers are shut down and powered off.
This should be fixed asap.

Senilix

OK looking into it now.

Fixed


Fixed but not reversed?
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Message 543 - Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 20:54:43 UTC - in response to Message 536.  

Wow so I missed the latest round of lucky dip credits?? Noooo!!!
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Message 545 - Posted: 25 Oct 2018, 22:49:44 UTC - in response to Message 543.  
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Wow so I missed the latest round of lucky dip credits?? Noooo!!!


Yes and some got lucky with many Tens of Millions in extra points. Not me I did get some but only on 1 computer, the other 3 did not participate and just kept getting normal credits.
Rankings are now probably unfair to a lot who did not get their share of the rewards, also unearned to a degree. But they did not cheat as it was an issue at the project end, so I guess we put up with it.
Although the gains some got was a bit extreme.

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Message 557 - Posted: 28 Oct 2018, 12:30:13 UTC - in response to Message 543.  
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Wow so I missed the latest round of lucky dip credits?? Noooo!!!

Yep me too, been crunching this project almost exclusively for months on both of my computers, stop for a little while to support my team on some challenges and whammo, credit goes haywire and my ranking crashes down from 10th to 23rd. Bah!

Ah well, I've received some credit bonuses here and there on other BOINC projects over the years so will cop it sweet. Still disappointing though, as this was the only current BOINC project where I'd managed to get into the world top 10. No way I'll be able to get back to 10th now. On the other hand am now free to give some resources to other projects as the team scores have been massively skewed too, so no reason there now either to concentrate heavily on this project.
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Message 575 - Posted: 31 Oct 2018, 18:44:47 UTC - in response to Message 557.  
Last modified: 1 Nov 2018, 12:36:53 UTC

We believe we have enough information (thanks to Bok @ Free-DC) to reverse the credit anomaly which happened between the 19th and 23rd of October.

What happened? For these days users were continuously awarded credit at a rate proportional to how much they'd cumulatively done since the 19th. I can go into further details if anyone is interested.

How could it be remedied:

Solution #1: revert all credit accrued between Friday the 19th and Tuesday the 23rd in the user totals. This would have no effect on accumulated Gridcoin, but would on DHE totals. This would also remove all credit genuinely earned during this time period.

Solution #2: increase credit allocation rate by (a) having a sprint involving DHE and/or (b) increasing the DHE credit rate. This would have the effect of future credit 'drowning out' the anomaly.

Option #3: do nothing.

How do people feel about these? We could put this to a vote.

Kind regards,
Michael
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Message 577 - Posted: 31 Oct 2018, 23:52:54 UTC - in response to Message 575.  

We believe we have enough information to reverse the credit anomaly which happened between the 19th and 23rd of October.

What happened? For these days users were continuously awarded credit at a rate proportional to how much they'd cumulatively done since the 19th. I can go into further details if anyone is interested.

How could it be remedied:

Solution #1: revert all credit accrued between Friday the 19th and Tuesday the 23rd in the user totals. This would have no effect on accumulated Gridcoin, but would on DHE totals. This would also remove all credit genuinely earned during this time period.

Solution #2: increase credit allocation rate by (a) having a sprint involving DHE and/or (b) increasing the DHE credit rate. This would have the effect of future credit 'drowning out' the anomaly.

Option #3: do nothing.

How do people feel about these? We could put this to a vote.

Kind regards,
Michael



I say Solution #1. It's the only fair way. Eliminate all credits gained by all. Fixes the extra massively accrued credit without affecting future credit. Yes some lose genuine credit but that is due to a system error, so during that time, no credit given to anyone only seems fair.

Do nothing? Then massive credit gains were given to some but not all.

increase the allocation rate? This skews the scale greatly to new crunchers either positively or negatively making previous work seem less or more relevant.

System glitch, no credit given that time. That's my vote.
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Message 578 - Posted: 1 Nov 2018, 7:49:21 UTC - in response to Message 575.  
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Hi.
How do people feel about these? We could put this to a vote.

I really don't care.
If it had affected a challenge, I'd see this with other eyes, but outside of challenges I crunch for science.
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Message 579 - Posted: 1 Nov 2018, 10:06:49 UTC

Probably Solution #1, as the fairest to all users.

I had four computers running during this time, but only my Windows machine was affected by the bug and gained over 500,000 points by itself. My other machines did not know anything had changed and did not gain extra points.

So normal credit added per day was around 15,000 (for all four machines), so 15,000 x 4 = 60,000 points (or 75,000 points if it is 5 days).
So I would lose 60-75,000 points + 500-600,000 bonus points, so around 700,000 points overall.

I am OK with that if it restores the balance, as there are a quite a few that don't like how they seem to have not got the bonus whereas others did get the bonus.
It will only take me a week to get my genuinely added points back, as it will everyone else, unless they have stopped running the project, it will take a bit longer to earn those bonus points back, but I will get them.

Conan
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Message 582 - Posted: 1 Nov 2018, 22:27:24 UTC
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If credit during those days is known and there's a ratio of normal credit vs high credit on those days, there could be a ratio applied. If normal credit is 1 and those days PCs were getting 20 then divide by 20 for those days instead of zeroing everyone.

Free-DC has host credit per day if its allowed to be exported. An example is mikey since he was one of the top users with export and multiple PCs
https://stats3.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=user&proj=dhe&name=1018

Host 994 has info before, during and after the credit spike.
https://stats3.free-dc.org/stats.php?page=host&proj=dhe&hostid=994



Some things to note:
Credit looked to be higher before on some of his PCs before the spike than after the spike.
The 3 high days were not the same credit per day like many other days. Maybe ave out those 3 days.
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Message 583 - Posted: 1 Nov 2018, 23:44:40 UTC

If #1, at least consider awarding the average output for those days (as mmonnin suggests). Otherwise, credit being zeroed out for those days makes me remember when Seventeen or Bust just lost everything and it all seemed for nothing.
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